PIPORG-L's Purpose and Scope
Guidelines for Contributors
PIPORG-L is an electronic mailing list whose
members discuss musical, technical and historical
aspects of organs of all kindsclassical,
theater, electronic, reed, tracker,
electropneumatic, mechanical (player, band and
Stoplists, recitals (past and future), recordings,
jobs (wanted and available), restoration hints,
news of progress in restoration projects are all
Requests for advice or information are encouraged,
and stories of your experiences and knowledge are
In short, if it is interesting and about organs or
organ music, this group would like to hear about
That said, contributors are reminded that the list
is not intended as a vehicle for casual
chatter -- other more suitable venues for this
exist elsewhere, as described later.
In this same vein, contributors must be willing to
stand behind their postings.
Just as we require subscribers to provide their
real names when subscribing, so must all postings
be properly identified as to their authors.
Signing a posting with a sobriquet or nom de
plume is unacceptable.
If you are so uncertain of the merit if a posting
as to be unwilling to attach your name to it, then
it probably isn't worth submitting.
There is no room in this forum for unidentified
messages tossed over the transom.
Since its establishment in 1993, the list has had a
tradition of friendliness, civility and
professionalism in our discussions.
While we disagree occasionally sometimes
vehemently our exchanges are expected to
be free of "flames" and personal insult.
To maintain this desired tone and level of discourse,
subscription procedures were modified in 1999 so
that all new subscribers are admitted without
posting privileges (NOPOST status).
To graduate to full corresponding membership,
subscribers are asked to submit full identifying
information about themselves, along with a
statement affirming their acceptance of these
This measure immediately resulted in a gratifying
improvement in the quality of our correspondence,
an improvement which has held to this day.
This mechanism is obviously circumvented when a
corresponding member posts to the list a message
originating from an individual without posting
Consequently, this practice is not allowed: do
not, for any reason, forward messages to the list
from non-members or non-corresponding members.
If such an action appears to be justified, forward
it instead to one of the list owners who will post
it if appropriate.
Topics Suitable for List Discussion:
Topics aside, the overriding criterion for
acceptability of a posting is that it be of
The organ as musical instrument.
This includes electronic organs and other
non-percussive keyboard instruments, as well as
mechanically-controlled organs (player organs,
band and fairground organs, clock organs, etc.) in
all settingsconcert halls, theaters, churches,
residences, even pizza parlors or outdoors.
Within this general topic would appear discussions
Descriptions of organs
Construction, restoration and maintenance
Stoplists should always be clearly labeled as such
in the Subject: line of the posting since they are
usually lengthy and not of interest to the entire
Such postings are much more interesting if they include
some narrative explaining why the stoplist has
musical, technical or historical significance.
They should additionally be
sent directly to
who maintains the
Osiris public archive
Program selection, performance, technique and
Recital and concert announcements
Stories and anecdotes whose central topic is
organs or organ music.
Contributions here must show some evident effort
in their writing and be reasonably expected to be
of interest to a clear majority of the membership.
Topical humor is not excluded but it must have
some substance beyond a one-line quip.
Announcements of meetings, workshops, master
classes, and the like, and employment
Such announcements should be brief, inviting
interested readers to correspond privately for
Commercial announcements and gift offers.
Here is where good judgment is essential.
The list must not be used as a replacement for
the Want Ad Digest or craigslist.
On the other hand, there are readers who
do want to hear about the availability
of new organ CD's or redundant ranks of contra
erzählers for sale.
Restraint must be the guiding principle and
brevity the keyword.
Include only enough in the announcement to make
clear what it is you are offering and provide
further information through private inquiry or
the poster's web site.
While there are instances where repeating the
announcement once is appropriate, anything more
amounts to spam and must be avoided.
Topics Unsuitable for List Discussion
Subscribers who feel a need for discussion of
these excluded topics should seek a forum
See what's available in the alt.music and
rec.music newsgroups hierarchies.
Or form your own discussion list.
We will be happy to direct you to service
providers who can host such lists at modest cost.
Replies consisting of merely a "me-too" or which
otherwise do not significantly advance the content
of the thread.
In any event, quoting a previous post must be held
to an absolute minimum.
Replies containing unnecessary quotation of previously
posted material. Quote only enough to provide a
context for your reply, or the point(s) your reply
addresses. It should seldom be necessary to quote
an entire posting, much less (heaven forbid) the
entire previous day's digest! If you don't know
how to edit the quoted material in your response,
learn how to do so before posting.
Complaints about other people's postings.
Address your complaints to the
if you want them to
Private messages to other list subscribers.
Don't post such messages to the list because you
don't know the subscriber's address.
Those subscribers who wish to be reachable by others
should include their biographies in the list's
biography web pages by sending them to the
Subscribers who have previously submitted their biographies
should check to see that the email addresses therein
are still current.
Forwards of private correspondence.
Network etiquette requires that private email never
be reposted in a public forum without explicit
consent of the original author.
Church-related problems and/or humor (the
Although many subscribers play services, this is
not what this list is about.
Note that this exclusion is not meant to apply to
church organs or organ music.
Nor is this list about this topic.
To participate in discussions of choral music,
join one or both of the lists
Subscribe to Choralist with
your name .
You would proceed similarly for the Choraltalk.
Or subscribe via their
Use of bizarre formats and encoded files.
Don't post encoded files to the list (base64,
uuencode, zip, tar, or otherwise).
If you have an encoded picture you think others
might like to see, announce this to the list and
invite people to ask you directly for it.
Graphically encoded text should never be posted to
any list unless there is a very special
reason for doing so.
Run your scanned text through an OCR program
or type it in, assuming that you have
any right to distribute it at all.
(See next item.)
In the same vein, don't post MIME attachments.
Unless you own the rights or have explicit
permission from the owner, give a citation and let
those who are interested look it up for
Note that brief quotationsa paragraph or
twoare ok, but anything much beyond that
General chat activity.
PIPORG-L is not a "chat" list.
Try pipechat. Send
subscribe pipechat your name .
Or try church-music: send
that contains nothing in either the message
or the subject area.
Virus alerts and the like.
While these postings are undoubtedly well-meant,
they are off-topic, and almost certainly hoaxes.
If you are the recipient of such a message from
somewhere and think it might possibly have some
validity, check it out at
General information concerning virus hoaxes and myths
can be found at
Gone/back notices ("I'm going on vacation until ...").
The list owners reserve for themselves an
exemption from this rule since subscribers often
need to write to them about subscription-related
List-mechanics questions ("How do I unsubscribe?").
at PIPORG-Lemail@example.com .
And, finally, flames, responses to flames, rants,
name-calling and other ad hominem attacks,
pipe-vs-electronic food fights and the like.
It is possible to carry on a rational
pipe-vs-electronic discussion, but in our
experience these quickly degenerate into Religious
Wars which are of no general interest.
With the volume of traffic having grown to what it
is at present, the list owners are not able to
read every posting that is submitted.
They will, however, be attentive to complaints
written to them privately about postings that do
not meet these criteria.
Subscribers who cannot find a way to stay within
them will be set to NOPOST.
The list owners have an overriding responsibility
to manage the roster in a way that maintains the
overall well-being of the list and its membership
as a whole as opposed to the needs and desires of
any individual member.
How that responsibility is to be carried out is
determined solely by the owners; subscribers who
disagree with the way the list is managed must
vote with their feet.
Last modified April 12, 2009.
to PIPORG-L home page